Tammy Hudgeon 
Sabrina Ward HarrisonThis is Room in the Trees, a podcast about living a creative life. Room in the Trees is hosted by Trent Reynolds and me, Sabrina Ward-Harrison.
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Sabrina Ward HarrisonYou can follow us on Instagram at Sabrina Ward Harrison and at Trent Reynolds Art. And now, here's this week's episode. Hello, hello, hello. Room in the Trees, Room in the Trees coming at ya.
Trenton ReynoldsHey, what's going on?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonWell, let's just introduce, we have Tammy Hudgin here, who is author and artist, teacher extraordinaire. And she's a special, special Liberate guest this week. Hi, Tammy. Welcome, Tammy.
Tammy HudgeonThank you, Sabrina and Trent. I'm really happy and honored to be here. I want to tell you the first time I listened to Room in the Trees, what was it, a couple years ago? Oh. in my studio and then when I was traveling in Belize I listened to you guys one night I just did like a big you know binge listen and yeah I love what you're you're both doing and and the rapport that you have and it's uh it's a very uh enlightening educating and fun podcast to listen
Sabrina Ward Harrisontoo. That's awesome. Thank you. I'm so glad to hear that. I love the idea of you listening to it in Belize too. Sort of like we went there but we didn't get to go. Yeah, I was working in my journal. I think
Tammy Hudgeonone of the things I was there was one of your episodes that I really loved was your special sauce. Like I really like that was very affirming for me to you know really take that in and remember I don't know if you remember that episode, but it was really, you know, like layering on what my particular vision, my particular voice and really, really going deep in that vein. And I love that.
Yeah. That's awesome.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonThat's awesome to hear. Can you tell us where you are coming from? Because it's a very special place.
Tammy HudgeonOh, yes. So I live on Gabriela Island, and it's a little tiny island in the Pacific Ocean, but it's not like way out in the Pacific Ocean. It's between Vancouver, Canada, and Vancouver Island. So there's the straight of Georgia that's in between and there's a whole bunch of little islands the American version is the San Juan Islands and I'm just on an island that's slightly further north but not that far north you know like boaters easily go down there on their boat in a couple two, three hours or something.
That's awesome.
Tammy HudgeonYeah, and it's a place like people come from all over the world to be here. It's amazing. I mean, riding on the ferry to go to the big town, Nanaima, which I haven't been to for months, it's a delight. And I remind myself when I'm going more often of – this is people come from everywhere to do this exact thing yeah so take it in yeah that's cool
Sabrina Ward Harrisonand in your book you talk about you and your partner building your house there yeah on another
Tammy Hudgeonlittle island uh that we needed a small boat to get to our own little we had our own little kind of They call them runabouts, and it was just a little tin boat, basically, open boat. And then we would cross this channel to go to the next island over, and that's where we built our house. There was 65 people lived there at the time. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. I love it. That's amazing.
Trenton ReynoldsSo did you grow up in this area, on the islands?
Tammy HudgeonNo, I came from the Canadian prairies. I'm a real prairie girl, and... So I'm used to flat land and a lot of it and a great big sky and very little water or trees. And I live in a temperate rainforest. I've lived in the temperate rainforest now for almost 35 years, I guess, here on the coast. And I can remember when I first moved out to the first drive off of the ferry on Vancouver Island. And I was driving to this house that I'd rented where I was going to live. And I'd never seen it before and I'd never been there before and I was driving along the highway and I was thinking, I can't see anything. I can't get my bearings because it was just trees all along. And I was so used to being able to have that vision. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I've gotten used to that now, though.
Trenton ReynoldsDo you have nostalgia for the prairies and open space? Yes.
Tammy HudgeonYes, yes, yes, yes, big time. And I think it shows in your work. Sorry to interrupt. Yeah, and it's, yeah, there's, because all the time with my, you know, some of my words that come up over and over is space and freedom and the vastness. And that's something that I also want to, I'm learning more and more to allow myself to embrace in my own work, in my creative output, is that I have a, I have a big range of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, And I want to let myself explore that full range and not contain myself or, you know, really let anyone else contain me, but definitely not contain myself because I can control the others. I can control whether I let someone else contain me. and it's only in the last few years that I've realized that I can actually, there's more going on here. It's not just what's coming at me from out there. It's like what's coming at me from inside of me saying, you can't do that. Are you crazy? Like what will people think? yeah
Trenton Reynoldsthat's so interesting so can you describe that process of recognizing there was something in you some greater breadth that wasn't being expressed and how you were able to tap into that
Tammy Hudgeonokay well creatively and as I talk about in my book that I was able to create because of Sabrina the first 10 years of me creating I was working with glass exclusively fused glass and I really pushed the boundaries within that realm which I didn't even realize I was doing at the time until I was getting the feedback from outside of me that wow like I've never seen anything like this before and nobody's done this before or But then I had success, right? And as you probably both know, success comes with its entrapments as much as failure does. Yeah, for sure. Different ends of the same kind of thing. So to navigate that... And as an artist and a creative person needing to stretch and grow, when I started painting and my very first paintings were very, very raw. They still are very like on the edge of rough, loose, raw. But my very first ones, it was they were kind of shocking to me and then to the people who had become my collectors and the galleries and artists. they didn't really know what to think. I mean, my best collectors, they stayed on the train with me and they were like, yeah.
That's awesome.
Tammy HudgeonBut galleries, you know, they want what they know. You know, they want to stay in business. They want to sell the art. Right. So I had to stretch out in that way. So that was my first place of just really letting myself, okay, people will think what they want to think. I have to do this, and it's going to be seen. It will be seen. It will be shown alongside my art. If I have control of it, it will be shown alongside my glass art, my paintings. And I talk about this in my book, which was why writing that book was... it's like putting this down into words this story that's been circulating through my whole system for many years and actually being you know I did I did put it into words in little bits and pieces when I did artist talks over the years but it wasn't until really getting it into the book and being able to really share it in a bigger way that this because people looking from the outside in if you've had some success as an artist they can think it's just all so easy or right they just got it work she's got it worked out she doesn't have these things Or whatever. So yeah, that was it and then like in terms of expanding Then when I really let my folk art like my folk art wooden folk art sculptures become a part of What I was creating and make big ones like I made a great big camel a couple years ago Like maybe seven feet tall this wooden it spins right around my partner does metal work so he made the base the structure the legs are all plasma cut metal and And the body of the camel is painted plywood on. It's painted on both sides and done just like how I would make a painting. And there's a shrine enclosed. Like I put a box on it. Like it's super. With a little door and you open it up and you can look inside. And there's crystals. And it's just like... I couldn't, I wouldn't have been able to let myself do that a decade ago. I would have made a glass camel, but you know, and I could have done that. Right. I could have done that. That would have been actually pretty in the bag if you get what I mean. But this, this other one is like, I have no idea what I'm doing. I don't know how we'll make this thing stand up. I don't know, but I had to make it, right? I had to make it. So I think that's a long, kind of a long answer to your question. I'm learning how to, Because I'm a tangential speaker and thinker, so I'm learning how to come back around to the initial question. That's an example of me letting myself move into my range. And as I'm saying this, I'm actually, my arms automatically just spread open wide. Like I'm stretching my arms out wide. Like that's what I want to allow for myself in my life. This open-ended...
Sabrina Ward Harrisonpossibilities. That's beautiful. It's been beautiful that you can see that and know that
Trenton Reynoldsand share it like that. There's this sense of inevitability when you've done something and had success with it. Your audience feels like, of course this happened, and of course everyone was going to like it. Right. You know, but it goes so underappreciated how the work, the fear and the questioning and all the process that goes into just the initial start.
Yeah. Yeah.
Trenton Reynoldsand that same process has to happen every time you strike off in a new direction yeah and it's a stretching and it can be painful and we all have blind spots I don't know that's a powerful idea and, and it's pretty remarkable that you're able to achieve it. And even maybe just, just to see it and recognize it is pretty, pretty remarkable.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonIt's amazing how fear can just stop us. So in our tracks, um, that limitation and fear of like, I don't know how it's like, just because you don't know how, or don't know how it's going to look or how it's going to turn out. Doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.
Trenton ReynoldsOne thing I love about Steven Pressfield's books, the war of art is that he talks about how, uh, that our fears are an indicator of where we should go.
Tammy HudgeonOoh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally, totally down with that. Yes.
Trenton ReynoldsAnd sometimes you don't even realize that, you're afraid of something until you come up right against it.
Yeah.
Tammy HudgeonI mean, like one of my bigger fears, especially after I had success with Glass, I've really only kind of got a really good handle on it, I'd say in the last maybe four years or so. It's been probably four years where I felt like I'm pretty clear of that and I'm really aware of it is my art heroes. But in particularly my local art heroes, who I knew when I was a beginner because I began pretty late, like I was 38, 39, 40 before I started fusing with glass. So I was admiring all these other artists. And what used to go through my head was what would so-and-so think? And I now know that is not the place I want to be creating anything from. And even like, or even if I'm thinking of my partner, I mean, I went through this phase when I was first painting where my paintings were, I was working out some stuff, like some stuff. And he came in, he's like, is there always going to be that little girl in your paintings? Like, yeah, like, I'm not going to swear here, but that was always like, yes, yes. yes there is as long as i want her there yeah because i felt such it was such a tender place of creating and i did not want anybody because i was already doing it to myself right i was already inside myself judging the heck out of everything i was doing so i was projecting that outward and then feeling like everybody who saw my paintings was like holy heck what the hell is you doing? Well, I was already thinking that that's why that's part of why it felt so big coming at me from outside. And luckily for me, my art heroes were so like, yes, and they all each they all own one of my earliest paintings. So I was so grateful for that, that mentoring. It's so powerful encouragement is So, so powerful.
Trenton ReynoldsAnd Tammy, you took Liberate, right?
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsYou mentioned that the process of making that book or working with Sabrina helped you through some of that. Can you describe the process? What was it about the course that was transformative or gave you access to some of that?
Tammy HudgeonThe course, well, when I... I took Sabrina's untethered course the year before or whatever. And then somewhere along in there, she said, what else would you want to learn from me? I'm like, I want to make a book. I want to make a book. And I have no idea how, but I feel like I have really good content. and I was at this place of feeling like I need to just hand this all over to somebody else because I can't do it, I don't know what to do, and I didn't feel like I was even capable of learning, especially the technology stuff, but even really any of it. I had no concept of how to go about doing it. I'm a self-taught artist. I don't come from any academic. I don't understand. I didn't know about outlines, okay? I'm not kidding. I did not know about outlines. So then Sabrina starts talking about it in Liberate, and then I'm still, I've struggled with that and struggled with that. And my partner, who is, you know, has university degrees, more than one, and he's like, you need the outline. I'm like, I know that's what Sabrina says. So that kind of guidance, I'm not, can't quite remember what your question is. Cause now I'm a bit on a roll here, but like that was really my book, being able to be guided through that process and feel like I had this, uh, safe landing place and a skilled guide who's well proven. I love Sabrina's books. And yeah, that helped me to just say yes. And even when even in the course I was like, I don't know. Oh, I know.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI know. I know. I know. That's what I love is sitting on the other side of it holding your book right here beside me on the couch and thinking you are one of the people that on the calls you'd be like, I don't know. I don't know. So many questions. I don't know if I can do this. Yeah. And like, you can do it, Tammy. You can do it. You did and you really did. You really, really did. I'm so proud of you. And just seeing it on the other side of it is so exciting. It's a real, you're a real testament to having the fear and doing it anyway. Because there's freedom on the other side, isn't there?
Tammy HudgeonOh, my gosh. What it, like that book, this book, my book. Isn't it funny, too, like how I just said that, you know? It's not interesting. I said that book. Like, it's... I'm still getting used to this. I think I've, I think there's a thing, like there's a thing of me really claiming my book too. Like this thing that I created, sometimes I, I, I am seeing this just now as we're speaking, like I, I put this distance almost like I can't quite fully claim that I, that's my book. And so interesting. I'm just finding that interesting that I even said that book. But yes, my book, it's opened up because it's opened up my life in ways that I wouldn't have predicted. Hmm. it's beautiful for me to have my book and the people who have my book and the feedback that I'm getting from people and a lot, a lot of feedback from a lot of people. Well, I'm not talking thousands, okay, but I'm talking hundreds. And there are people who are taking the time to send me a message, email me, I had someone who came to my studio and she was in tears, so grateful for my book.
Wow.
Tammy HudgeonI know, right? And I was like, but I had to, and I had to be at this place in my own... personal development, self-compassion, self-love, to be able to write that, let that go out, and let this vulnerable, because this isn't, you know, this isn't vulnerable stuff that I felt 20 years ago. This is now real.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tammy HudgeonAnd even in my course, like, because since then I've created a course, right, because that, then I had all the people, like, just one thing led to another, and. So cool. people are like ah and I've had so many conversations with people over the years my passion immediately is strikes up when I start talking about creativity and how it's not exclusive only for special and that's a big piece of my book and yeah it just felt like this natural segue to wow I can I can share this in a bigger way and actually give some hands-on tools like in you know, not just by someone reading.
Yeah.
Tammy HudgeonAnd in the course, even like how I created my course was very, it's rough and raw and ready. I mean, it's professional, but my videos are like, this is the real deal. You're seeing real time. And someone just said to me yesterday, she said, yeah, I was watching one of them. watching one of the videos and she said yeah and you said something like yeah I just learned this yesterday and then she said well that's real that's awesome yeah but it's the only way I could have done it right I would have been all uptight Yeah. I no longer want to take on projects or do things where I'm going to be all freaking uptight. Right. I get it. Like, it's for me to understand where is the level of where it's like I'm on that edge. I want to be pushing my edges, but I don't need to be where I'm completely uptight, unhappy, like miserable in it maybe even, so that I can complete something. Like, it has to have that charge now. Like, I... I'm old enough now to know and I can discern when this is that I'm getting, well, maybe not always, but I'm getting much better at being able to discern when this is a fear of this thing because it's exciting. And, or when it's a fear where, when there's a fear, it's like, yeah, no, that's actually just not for me. Yes. Yeah. I'm getting way better at seeing the difference and being able to then push the boundaries of what I let myself create, including the book, including a course, and another one coming up, including my art. Because that's where, then after I made the book, and I created this course, and these things kind of all came within this last year of this COVID year, But now this body of work that I'm making right now, I'm so freaking excited about it. And it's like, and I'm letting myself just keep on like, I have this, this iconic, this imagery that I'm working with, and I'm putting it on everything. And I don't care if someone comes in and says, really, you're going to make another painting with that image? I'm like, yeah, I am. And I'm going to make some glass, too. And I'm going to do a wooden sculpture.
Just watch.
Tammy HudgeonThat's so great. I know. It feels so good. It feels so good. I haven't always been that way. I've been tight about it. I've been... You know, I've had my moments and times of very much looseness and real play, and then I've also had a lot more tightness. Yeah. But I'm not just not, I'm noticing and shifting gears when I start going down that track now, and I'm so grateful.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYou sound so free. You do.
Tammy HudgeonI'm so grateful. I'm learning, like, and I've learned that, and it's a piece that I just keep layering on. Okay, this is not feeling good. Okay, so what do I need to do? The contrast is very important for me and I'm noticing when it's like This thing that I get to do right this thing that I get to do It's feeling like a drudgery. Okay, Tammy You better, you know do something else to take care of yourself because Look at your life. Look at your amazing life. Yeah I don't have to go to work. I don't have to go to my studio. I get to go to my studio. Right. Such a difference, right?
Trenton ReynoldsI hear so much of how this is, you know, obviously impactful on you personally and how it's allowed you to grow in, you know... find new paths to explore and keep your own practice fresh. But I also see how incredibly important this is for you to model as a teacher, right? Not just for yourself, but as a teacher. And I think so often, like traditionally, I think, We saw the teacher's role as somebody who is an expert that disseminates information, right? Or like teaches you how to do something. But I feel like part of what's becoming more important now more than ever is that part of what we're teaching is just how to deal with the not knowing. Yeah. how to give yourself permission to overcome the fear or face the fear, how to expand yourself to give your permission to try something new, right? It's not just like that's a skill of its own, but it's such a harder thing to like put into words and so much more important to just see it in life, in action. And I feel like that as a teacher, that is just as valuable to your students as it is to you personally. I don't know. I think... There's something really important about them.
Tammy HudgeonYeah. Absolutely. Yeah, I agree. I mean, like, it's a two-way street. I mean, you two know it much more than me. I mean, I wouldn't have really had the confidence to teach when I was young, like how you've both been teaching for many, many years. And since you were young people, I mean, you're young still, don't get me wrong. But, you know, like... like in your 20s or whatever, you were teaching. Like to me, I only, I feel like I've grown into the person now that can really teach, which is probably not true. But for, you know, for me, that was, that was, it's only arriving for me now. And I can see the... I can see now how fulfilling it must be for both of you. I hadn't ever really... I mean, I know when I talk to people in my studio or at art shows, I get really excited talking about creativity. I never want to really talk about, oh, the kiln fires to 1450 or whatever. I'm not that interested in talking about that.
But, yeah.
Tammy HudgeonBut yeah, I'm so new at teaching, and yet, like right away, it just feels like such a natural fit. It's like, so the timing, this was the time for me. This was the time for me, and people are... interested in hearing what I have to say and what I have to share. And I have a suspicion, Tammy, that you...
Trenton ReynoldsIt has been my experience so often in teaching in a classroom that I'm learning just as much as I'm teaching, right? Yeah. It's my suspicion that you have been a teacher for far longer than... than you expect, you just never really thought of yourself in those terms or given yourself that title. But, you know, being a teacher, I don't know, we build it up in our mind as something isolated or, you know, separate or as its own thing. But you're teaching every day. You're teaching in the person that you are for in front of other people. You're teaching and giving advice. And there's really not that big of a difference between that activity, what that is and how it affects other people, and being a quote-unquote teacher in front of a class. I really don't think so. I think giving yourself permission to see yourself in that way, I think can be empowering and gives you a new voice perhaps and gives you a bigger reach or just a different kind of relationship. Yeah. I don't know. I can hear it in your voice. I think you've been a teacher for a very long time.
Tammy HudgeonOh, that's cool. Like, I appreciate what you're saying. And I'm going to take the time to really let that land. And I really like the idea of it's almost like... taking just like I want to take the artist down from the pedestal for everybody like to take the teacher down from the pedestal like we're all we this is we're all humans here on the planet expressing ourselves in the way that we are and we're all learning from each other and whether it's in a formal sense or informal yeah I like that Trent I think that that's definitely resonates for me and like to take it and a little bit of a woo um thing which i tend to be uh i've heard like from two at least two astrologers and a psychic over the last 20 years like you're a natural teacher you're a natural teacher you're a natural teacher you're a natural teacher you're a natural teacher natural teacher. And because I felt so much like the student, and I love being a student too. Like I love it. I love looking to others to see for guidance. And so I just, I'm now making friends with the idea and really embracing the idea that both of those things, can be happening. And, and like you said, Trent, like they probably are always have been happening. I just haven't really taken it in maybe. So.
Oh, that's fantastic.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonIt's so wonderful. It's just so wonderful.
Trenton ReynoldsOh, there's something. And I can't remember the words that Laura, my wife used, but she read something somewhere and I, I'm going to slaughter it, but I loved the idea so much that, you know, what we find so compelling is not necessarily even what somebody is teaching, but that you can see the, the exuberance they have for their subject, you know, saying like, I feel like I, regardless of what you're actually teaching in your courses, I can feel your like, and hear your exuberance for it, your, your energy for it. And I think that is as exciting to me as, you know, the subject matter that you're working with itself. Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsThat to me is such a powerful thing. That passion, that connection you feel with the subject matter and what that itself communicates as a teacher. You found it. You connected to that source.
Tammy HudgeonYeah. It's true. I'm super introverted. I can be very, very quiet. And then someone else is just... just the right thing and then I'm off because if it's anything about creativity yeah and then I'm like super chatterbox I will you know and the person will be just kind of left flabbergasted what just happened
Sabrina Ward HarrisonDo you want to say anything about what you were doing today?
Trenton ReynoldsYeah, yeah, yeah. It's been a lot of fun. This is, I think, my seventh or eighth week doing it. But on Thursdays at 11 a.m. Pacific Standard Time, I've been doing a live public critique. And my ideal would be to have it always be about somebody who is currently working, like a work in progress or something that was recently completed. But I've also been sprinkling in weeks where I talk about, you know, an artist from art history. So I did a week talking about Degas and Degas. kind of the unique way that he approached composition. And today I decided to talk about Renoir and he's kind of a polarizing figure for some, you know, some, there's a whole Instagram, there's a whole Instagram account called Renoir sucks at painting. Oh yeah. That I think is hilarious. And it's got like 15,000 subscribers. Anyway, I know there, there are some people who have strong feelings about Renoir in the negative and But I kind of sit on both sides. I think he's got some really fantastic paintings and then also some just horrific paintings as well. So I thought there was some instructive things about his work that I wanted to talk about. And that's what was today.
Tammy HudgeonAnd so where's that? Is that for everyone?
Trenton ReynoldsYeah, that's public. I'm trying to do a better job about getting the word out, but it's still fairly new. You can watch it live every Thursday at facebook.com forward slash dabalon.trent.
Okay.
Trenton ReynoldsI also simultaneously broadcast it to YouTube, but I don't have that on the top of my head what that is. Okay. Yeah, and the recordings are available at the same place after the fact if you want to...
Tammy HudgeonAnd then how do you pick who you're... Do people submit if they want to be critiqued or something?
Trenton ReynoldsYeah, I've been doing a lot in the last, I'd say, three... four weeks, three of the weeks have been people that are currently taking my class, but anybody can submit images and, and if I can get to them, I'll, I'll talk about them.
Tammy HudgeonWow. That's so cool. I'm going to tune in for that.
Please do.
Tammy HudgeonIt's really interesting. Yeah. Like because of being self-taught, I mean, I'm bringing it, I'm learning about art wherever I can. Yeah. I love to hear stories. people talking art.
Yeah.
Tammy HudgeonYeah. And I've heard you before, Trent, on this podcast. And then I liked it when you and Sabrina did that painting together. There was a video that I was able to watch. Maybe that was in Liberate or something. something yeah that was yeah i think it's on the website and that's pretty pretty great and i appreciate it i appreciate you both so freely sharing your experiences as as you live your creative lives i enjoy it a lot and so thank you for creating the podcast and and doing what you do it's inspiring for for me
Trenton ReynoldsOh, absolutely. Say, you know, if you disagree with something you tell me, but the, I feel like this is an introvert's medium and an introvert's heyday. Like there are so many, so many avenues now for people who don't really have an appetite to go out and be flashy, you know, and like... Like, this medium of podcasting is such a fantastic way to have really authentic and casual and meaningful conversation and then to be able to connect that to a larger audience and community. You know, I don't know. I just think... I find it so gratifying and fulfilling to have these conversations and to meet people like you, Tammy, and, you know, to connect about, you know, the subject that I feel so strongly about. It's, I don't know, it's filling for me too.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonIntroverted introverts unite.
Trenton ReynoldsIntroverts unite.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonAnd I'll just, I'll just share briefly about what's happening next week because this isn't The big launch of Liberate comes out this week.
Tammy HudgeonThe doors are finally open. Yay. 2021. Is this your third or? Yes, this is my third. I feel so honored that I was in the first round. I know. I think every round is amazing, of course. Every round is amazing.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonIt just keeps growing with more and more. yeah so it's really I'm really looking forward to that the doors open on the 24th on Wednesday and just really looking forward to this year's this year's wonderful group that comes together and being by people's sides through this process it's really it's really a special just sitting here with these books stack of books beside me It's amazing that these were all just dreams in people's hearts. Less than two years ago, they're making their way into the world.
Trenton ReynoldsThat is so awesome. Where can people sign up? When do they find out?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonIt will be the truelivingexperience.info.
Awesome.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonThank you. Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsIt's been so fun for me watching just, I get little snippets and little images and little peeks into, into all these books that are being created and it's been awesome. I really have been enjoying seeing what's been coming out of that class.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYeah. And I just love hearing that they're making their way in. The books are sort of like kids. They're just making their way into the world.
Yeah.
Tammy HudgeonThey, they, yeah.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonLike your book, Tammy. I know. So where can people find your book and find out more about you and your classes?
Tammy HudgeonThey can find out about all of that at Tammy hudgin.com. There's links there to my, to my book and also to, information about my online courses and actually there's a new thing where you can you can if you can download the first kind of the prelude the first chapter of my book actually for free as a PDF download you can find that on my website too and just encourage you to hopefully to inspire people to to to flex their creative muscles and, and they can have a dip into, to the world of, of me and just see, see what they think. So, yeah. And if you, and I would just like to say if anybody is considering making a book or has been wanting to make a book or like this, this, this is the place, my book would not, you know, it would not be made yet if I hadn't taken Sabrina's course. And or if it was made, it wouldn't have had the print of me on it the way it is. And that's the piece. Like I learned so much and I learned so many new skills and I feel so much more confident about Well, so to create the course, I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't made the book. Like, it's leading. It's opened up so many doors making this book and not just having the finished book in my hand, but the actual process of gathering the thoughts, the memories, the stories, the images, and learning the text stuff. Yeah. And understanding about... having permission to use language from other people. And in the end, you know what? I didn't use any quotes from anyone else in the end. I just did everything me. I inquired about a few and I had permissions, but in the end... And I never thought that. I thought my book would be full of all kinds of quotes of others, which I love. I love that. I'm so inspired. But in the end, that isn't what... is in my book. So the book that you might make, the book that you make when you take this course might surprise you is what I could say. Which I love. Yeah, it might not be the book that you think you're going to make when you start. And for me, this was the book that, this was the first book I needed to, I needed to make this book. I needed to make, my soul needed to make this book, even if I only ever printed one copy for me. I needed it. I didn't know in my head. I was following the impulses and everything was a green light and everything. man oh man like if you're considering it go for it you know i want to make another reference to
Trenton Reynoldsthe war of art the steven pressfield book he he says something to the effect of if you're wondering if you're an artist you probably are you know if you're thinking about it and similarly here if you're thinking do i am i supposed to make a book or do i need to make a book you probably do it's probably in you so good
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Tammy HudgeonI love that. Yes, I have that book too. I have never read the whole thing actually, surprisingly enough in a way.
Trenton ReynoldsI'm a huge fan. I love that.
Tammy HudgeonYes, yes. There's good stuff.
Trenton ReynoldsI also wanted to just throw out there, I do have a couple things coming up that I wanted to just... Yes. Let the word out. I've got a course about resin. So I'm going to do a deep dive for five weeks. And that starts not next week, but the following week. If you want information as it comes out, sign up for my email list at dabbleon.com, D-A-B-B-L-E-O-N.com. And I also have some new information coming up very close to announcing about memberships or other ways to access information and courses without necessarily committing to a full five-week class. So more on that soon. Well, Tammy, it was such a privilege talking to you. I'm so excited for you and it sounds like you're on fire. I'm so glad to hear it.
Tammy HudgeonYay, thank you. I've had a really good time here and as I knew I would because I feel like... I kind of know you because I listen to you so much. Yeah. So, yeah, thank you so much for inviting me on the show. The fire thing, like the fire is always there, right? It's just that sometimes it goes down to low embers. And then I get that's okay. That's okay. I mean, that's part of it, that it has to be that way. So things feel pretty fiery today though, for sure. And that's partly talking to you. Oh, it's such a treat.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonIt's such a treat. I'm so proud of you, girl. Awesome. Such a gift you are to the world. Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week. In the meantime, you can follow us on Instagram at Sabrina Ward Harrison and at Trent Reynolds Art. And check out the show notes at roominthetrees.com
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