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Trenton ReynoldsBoy, you're in the middle of moving, right? You're packing up. This is the week.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonThis is the week. I am three and a half days away.
Oh, man.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonIt's really great. And I'm going to have everything ready at the door when the movers arrive. Like, okay, let's go. Let's go.
Trenton ReynoldsAnd the plan's to pound it out in a day, right? There's no reason why it would...
Sabrina Ward HarrisonOh, yeah. Yep. I think it could probably be done in two hours.
Yeah.
Sabrina Ward Harrisonwith these smart boxes, such a game changer. They're just going to still be all stacked up and then they'll just go. And then, um, there'll be picked back up and all will be well.
Yeah.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonIt's been so great to get rid of stuff and pass things on. You know when you spend money on stuff, and I'm sure you get this, when you're like, wow, I've spent money on that. I couldn't just throw it out. But the more you have it around and you're aware that you're not using it, you feel sort of terrible that you have it and you're not using it. So it's like just give it away to someone. Trust that it will just go to wonderful hands and... it's been fun matching things with people like oh I think you and they're like oh yeah
Trenton Reynoldsdo you will you call up a friend or a specific person to see if they want something or is it
Sabrina Ward Harrisonmostly it's just imagine yeah different friends that I think have different clothes of mine and just some girls I know that would look good in some of my dresses and some that would look good in some of my jackets and things like that.
Trenton ReynoldsI wonder what would happen or what the response would be if I sent like one of my shirts to a, to a friend. I thought this would look really good on you. I remember those, those tight jeans you used to wear, you know, the brown ones kind of roughed up. I think this would go with that really well.
Sabrina Ward Harrisonor if it was just like a random t-shirt like a brown plain t-shirt
Trenton Reynoldskind of old kind of old and weathered like a little bit of pit stains in there dude this reminded me of you needs needs a new home
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI dare you to do that. Will you do that? Will you send something random to somebody? That's so funny. That would be so funny to send like your friend Gavin or something.
Trenton ReynoldsHe would. I'll have to think about that. Who could I send that to? but we don't get, we don't get stuff. Now I'm like going through a list of all my friends in my head, imagining them wearing my clothes. Oh gosh.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYeah. It's not like I'm sending, I'm said, I sent some stuff to my nieces that like a cool jean jacket and tops and stuff. I love pass-me-downs. I was all about pass-me-downs. It was so exciting to have older, like a babysitter. I think it's more of a girl thing. It was always so fun to get their pass-me-downs in sixth grade, and they were maybe in eighth grade. It was like, wow. I guess you got them just naturally because you have brothers.
Trenton Reynoldsyeah yeah not not as cool getting hand-me-downs from uh from older brothers i think things are a little bit more beat up i imagine but my daughters my daughters love it when we have like we'll have cousins that will give us a bag of clothes that they've grown out of or whatever and And they love that.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonAre they still into cheetahs? Is that the cheetah print cat thing going on?
Trenton ReynoldsNo, the cheetah thing has faded somewhat. They still have quite a bit of cheetah print just around. It's just not as – like for a while there, Eden was all about cheetahs. Like she wanted to dress up as Cheetah. She wanted a Cheetah skirt. She wanted a Cheetah birthday. It was all Cheetah all the time. I got to get you a video of Mara is all about Moana. She's got a Moana costume and a little heart of Te Fiti that glows.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI don't know what Moana is.
Trenton ReynoldsMoana is a Disney cartoon.
Okay. Okay.
Trenton ReynoldsAnyway, Moana is the central character. Yeah. Okay. And she's just power girl, you know, and anyway. In fact, today, Mara... taped up like an Amazon box with the little necklace that had the heart of Te Fiti in it. And she gave it to me. And my instructions were to go knock on the bathroom or on the bedroom door and tell Moana I had a delivery for her. Oh my God. And so I went there and she opened it up. It was the heart of Te Fiti that she had put in there. And she's like, oh, let's go open it up on my boat.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonOh, that's so sweet. Oh, her imagination. Oh, that's great.
Trenton ReynoldsYeah, she's got a great imagination.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonNow, where do you think she is on the introverted, extroverted realm?
Trenton ReynoldsI think she's probably extroverted. I mean, she's pretty... like just puts herself out there with kids at the playground and seems to like, she, she's always thinking of friends and like her favorite friends. She's always wanting to save, like if we have a dessert, like a chocolate, something or other, she'll want to save one of them for, for Willa, you know, Willa is her best friend. So I think she, she gets her fill up from, yeah, you know, from being around other people probably.
And Zoe? Zoe, hard to tell. She's a partier.
Trenton ReynoldsShe, and to be clear, to be clear, she's not about a year and a half old. But when we have dance parties, we've got this playlist that, you know, on the Apple TV, we could just, you know, click on the speech button, say play dance. playlist or dance party playlist. And so we've got these songs. And when that goes on, the minute it goes on, Zoe puts her arms up in the air, opens her mouth as wide as she can go, and she starts bobbing her head. It is the cutest thing. And she's got a little bit of rhythm in there. Not bad. Not bad for one and a half years old. wow but she's she's kind of she got the feel of she's kind of the golden retriever like happy go lucky type yeah type feel about her not not doesn't seem like there's as much calculation she definitely you know pushes buttons and you know wants to wrestle and stuff but but mara's got a little bit a little little of the devil in her little devious stroke streak that Zoe doesn't seem to have that.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonWell, I remember when you, and we won't talk forever about children, but I could. I'm so curious about all their personalities. But I remember you actually, that same phrase, the golden retriever, you referring to Mara like that when she was younger, actually.
Trenton ReynoldsDid I? Did I?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYeah, yeah, yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsI'm glad. Well, it could just be Mara's three years old.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYeah, developmentally younger.
Trenton ReynoldsYeah, so she's just going through that phase. Oh, that makes me a little sad. I don't want Zoe to grow out of this little partier phase.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonOh, she won't. I mean, she seems like she's, when you guys came up to visit, she was just so easygoing and like, I'm good, I'm cool. I'm not like just so no drama. And I thought, I mean, that's instilled in your soul if you're like that. It seems like that's not going to really... waver a whole lot when you're that little and you're like yeah throw me on your back i'm good
Trenton Reynoldswe're cool it's raining we'll see we'll see when it goes it's true though that you know there's something about two and three they they uh start getting some independent ideas
Sabrina Ward HarrisonOh, that's so good. It's so neat to watch human beings become human beings.
Trenton ReynoldsIt is. And it's interesting, so interesting, I think, to watch what stays the same and what evolves, what changes, what seems to have been there permanently since the beginning and what seems to be stuff that can change and be malleable. I don't know, it's hard to describe specifically what that is or the distinction between the two, but there seems to be something permanent, you know, from the time they're born that persists as they go through all the different stages.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonAnd you can't really name, you can't really guess what that is in the beginning?
Trenton ReynoldsI can, you know, guess at it, but it's just this feeling that, you know, I look at Liv now and, And there's this feeling like she was this way when she was born. The day she was born, she was Liv. She had this energy or personality. And I could speculate. I could try to define what that is and what those characteristics are. But really, there's something to the whole person. There's a Liv-ness about Liv, just like there is for Mara and Eden. Yeah. And Zoe, so. But they evolve. Like Liv, the other day, and this will be my last kid story. There was a kid that's going to be new to her school next year. And this kid's mom called Laura up because Laura's on a list of of volunteers to have a play date with this kid and just kind of, you know, make him feel more welcome and let him know what's going to be going on and, you know, welcome him to the school. Just be like a good, good friend. And Liv just totally stepped up. She brought her yearbook. She was explaining like this kid's going into second and Liv's going into third. So Liv was telling this boy how, what her second year was like and what to expect. That's awesome. Just awesome.
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsYou know, one of those things that warms your heart where it's like, maybe they are going to.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYeah.
Trenton ReynoldsThey are learning something, you know. They're good people because so often we're just, you know, interacting with them at bedtime and, you know, times of day where everything's melting down.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonAnd now we need a little story about. I'm so proud of her. Yeah. Yeah. We need a little story about Eden because we haven't touched on her.
Trenton ReynoldsEden is taking swim lessons just like Liv was and Liv is Liv's in her second week of swim lessons Eden's in her first and she's no longer wearing her floaties oh my god Eden's a little bit more cautious and it's been a little bit harder for her to let go of the floaties but she's she's actually really coordinated and does like is a good swimmer strong swimmer
so yeah
Trenton ReynoldsAnd she was able to go down the curly slide at the local pool, which was a big deal.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonThat's scary.
Trenton ReynoldsYeah, she's definitely the cautious one of the two.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonThere is a wonderful private Facebook group that everybody in the Liberate group. course has access to. And so there's wonderful conversations that go on and conversation threads. And I came upon this one today and I just found it kind of gave me shivers. So I'll fill you in with the first. The first comment was from Tammy. So she's talking about gathering and editing and sort of self-editing as she's going with her book and trying not to over-edit. And Paul Clark said, I usually dream of grandiosity, suffer the difference from reality, then create in furies, striving for the utmost in mediocrity. Hope for the revisions keeps me sane. Those who create always surpass those who only contemplate.
Trenton ReynoldsAnd this is Paul Clark, the Paul Clark I know, right?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYes. Yes. Oh, well said. Full circle.
I know.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonHe brought fantastic, fantastic... thoughts and reflections to the group on a regular basis. It was commonly like I'd do the mind blown kind of like On our calls because he really brought up some great thoughts. So I'll read it one more time He says I usually dream of grandiosity Suffer the difference from reality then create in flurries striving for the utmost in mediocrity and Hope for revisions keeps me sane. Those who create always surpass those who only contemplate. So that line, that last line, those who create always surpass those who, and he just has some parentheses, only contemplate, says, you know, that just to me is that sense of just step forward to keep going, keep going.
Trenton ReynoldsYou know, what it makes me think of is, is like the difference between researching going to that city, you know, like having ideas, contemplating what it would be like to experience that city or wherever, you know, whatever experience that you might be dreaming about. And then actually making that happen where you actually go on a trip to that location or city or have that experience and the difference between how it exists in your mind as a potential, as a possibility, and then the reality that you ultimately interact with. And sometimes it's better than you had imagined. And sometimes it's not as glamorous or glorious as you imagine. I don't know. It seems like just the difference between intellectual and experiential understanding of things. I don't think people appreciate.
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsI don't know how significant that difference really is.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonAnd I love that analogy. And it makes me think about how you can think, to take off on that, the sense of I want to go to this ideal place. I want this ideal experience. And should it be this place or should it be that place or should it be that place? And maybe that place is better. But to dive in and just go, like, not think about the city, but go to the country and be open to explore the country as a bigger, more living organism. Like, that just is, you're going to be taken and it's going to be, there's going to be messy and challenging and difficult elements to it no matter where you go. But you keep exploring and you keep showing up and showing, coming into the, really being in the place. Yeah.
Trenton Reynoldsmaybe another way to stretch that metaphor would be, or, you know, thinking in terms of Paul's statement here is that maybe we have dreams of going to Europe, to going to Paris, you know, and having fancy food and, and seeing all the sites and museums and, Eiffel Tower and all these things that we've seen in movies and heard about. But all we have the capability right now to do, although we have the resources to do, is drive down to Tijuana. You see where I'm going with that? It's like... Actually going and putting yourself in action and going and having the experience that you can have perhaps is better than just sitting at home contemplating the... you know, the ultimate vacation or the ultimate experience. It's like action, going and doing it, going and putting yourself in the space where change and evolution and challenge can occur, rather than just considering what the ideal might be. What do you think about that?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonAnd that's because absolutely, and that so resonates as far as making art. Absolutely. Like we can sit there with all our art supplies and our fancy this that we maybe, you know, anytime I buy something that's actually seems a really official art supply, I tend not to just break it open and start using it even if I don't know quite how best to use it.
Trenton ReynoldsAnd sometimes when something is so precious to us, like the dream, I'm getting into this metaphor now. If you were to show up in Paris to have this vacation that you'd always dreamed of and it was going to be the most magnificent thing ever, it's going to be precious to you. And you're not going to take, you know, you're not going to go have a casual experience or try to do something different. that might be a little bit more risky or a little bit out of the ordinary or unusual because you're trying to stick so closely to this predefined and pre-envisioned experience. You know, what we've talked about in the past, how preciousness can change. can take the life out of the creative process and sometimes, you know, the difference between go between imagining this grand having this grandiose vision and Then trying to get to that grandiose vision Sometimes we're holding so tightly onto that grandiose vision that we have a hard time Appreciating what would truly bring us joy in the process. Yes, I
Sabrina Ward Harrisonwhen I think when I when I reflect and I'm thinking about my students working on their books and the part of me that wants to be in there talking and being involved the whole way with every single day with them it's hard to just pull back and and let them um you know just just of course I want to be involved in each one of them's the whole, the whole way through, but just seeing them go through moments of being stuck, but then pushing forward and maybe some that just keep holding back. Maybe, maybe they're held back by thinking, I don't know what I should, could share and shouldn't share. And just sort of getting stuff, just getting stuff down.
And,
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI saw one of my students I just loved. I see them put it in their Instagram stories. If you follow the hashtag liberate course, you'll get notified of these different things. The one I saw the other night was this great girl, Rachel, who's Northern California, was... jessoing her wall. She's like, yep, getting ready to go on my book. What's she going to be doing? She's jessoing. I love the idea of like, just do the do the book on your walls, then photograph it. And then those are pages. It's like, wow, whatever works.
Trenton ReynoldsWhen Paul says in this quote, then create in flurries, striving for the utmost in mediocrity. Sometimes, just like you're saying, it's like you just got to get in. And it doesn't even matter if the result is mediocrity, is mediocre. Sometimes you just got to get going because you know that... And whatever it is that comes out is not the last thing you're ever going to make or even the final version of what it is you're currently making. You know, Paul in his quote says, hope for revisions keeps me sane. You know, it's the reality that this, it's a process. It's not just a one, you know, one swing at it. And then if you win, you win. If you lose, you lose. It's like. It is going to be kind of, you know, most likely not going to be great to begin with,
but that's okay.
Trenton ReynoldsYou know, that's where it starts. Yeah. I think I've told this story before on the podcast, but I think it's worth repeating. It's one of my favorite memories because it was such a profound one for me. And that is I had a professor at BYU at undergrad when I was... you know, pretty early in my art education. His name is Bruce Smith, and one of the most fantastic, phenomenal painters ever. Really love his work. It's a lot of it's religious subject matter, but like his capacity, like his technical, his skill, his craft was so amazing. And then one day I walked into his office, which also doubled as like a studio away from home. And he had a painting that he was just beginning up on his easel. And the painting was kind of bad. like surprisingly bad, not just bad because it was wonky and the, the composition was kind of strange and hadn't really come together. And he had moved a figure from one place to another, but hadn't gotten rid of the first one entirely. And things were just, you know, just looked kind of crummy and, And there was just this moment of realization and it was so obvious, but it profounded to me at the same time in that moment that like Bruce makes bad paintings, right? Like sometimes, and that that's just part of the process, right? It's not going to stay that way and- you know, that's how things actually get to be good is, you know, you have to work with them and work through those, you know, those kind of ugly phases of paintings. Anyway, so it's just like, after that, when I made something that was kind of wonky and ugly, you know, it just didn't feel as... alarming. This is just part of it. It's part of the game.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonDon't you feel like that's such a gift when you get those windows in or you see someone, yeah, you just see that the end process. So where are you, what kind of work have you been feeling like If you were to address this quote and think about this quote, how it applies to your creative life right now or professional life or where, how does it, how do you respond to it?
Trenton ReynoldsWell, I think right now, uh, like the reality of my, uh, just circumstances that I tend to. push off going to the studio because there's always so much else that needs to get done. And so it does get to a point where I just like, okay, today is a studio day and I go in. And so I, I kind of resonate with this, this idea of like creating and flurries is like, I go in and I've got a certain amount of time and I just got to get, get things moving, you know, right away. There's just no other choice. And so, you know, if I want to make art, I can't wait for the right time because I don't have any control over what time I get. You know what I mean? And knowing that I can leave it, I don't have to finish it in one sitting. I can just push it forward. If I've only got five minutes, I'll just dabble a little bit on this. And then I can always come back to it and continue pushing it on. But I think that's something that's been taught me just by the limitations that I have at this stage of life. Is that these expectations that I have of myself can be so... unnecessarily confining, restrictive, self-critical, just against creation, right? Like things that keep me from creating. And when you just, it's either... do it now in unideal situations without having thought things through just to do it and not doing it all then you know it's easier to just not have that self-critical you know limiting thing because you just don't have any other choice does that make sense it's like just pick up the
Sabrina Ward Harrisonbrush i feel like like when you're using the limit it's like what i hear is a sense of you're you you come to understand the rhythm and the circumstances of your life in the way that when you go in, you have to have intentional decision making.
Trenton ReynoldsWell, yeah, I guess it's the extreme limitation of time and my lack of control over time that has released me from any... It's just, I cannot expect... to have this space and have things be perfect for me to make art, right? It's just not going to happen. So it helps me just let go of all those things that I didn't realize were so detrimental to creativity, that were keeping me from acting, from doing, right? That were just like me staring at a wall, trying to figure, sort everything out that I was going to do before I started. I just start because if I don't just start, nothing will ever get done. And there's something, that limitation of time really has helped me overcome mental and psychological hurdles that have plagued me for a long time.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonAnd so for you, how do you, what's some of your favorite ways to just start? If you were to say have a limited time, um, Just, can you play out, like, how much time do you spend? If you have, say, what would be a normal, maybe a 30-minute window or 45 minutes, how much time would you spend setting up your materials? Kind of give a play-by-play of how you would edit that time. I mean, utilize that time best for yourself.
Trenton ReynoldsThe nice thing right now is I have the studio space, so I can... I have enough space where I can leave things out and not necessarily not have to clean things up. Right. That makes a huge difference in my situation right now. Cause that's like, yeah, that can be a huge point of friction and, you know, for time, but I'll go into the studio and, I typically try to have four or five different projects, different paintings or drawings or, you know, this this laser stuff that I've been working on is kind of one thing and the routing and building services and working with resin is another thing. And then I'll have just little drawings that I've been messing around with. all at different stages. And so there's just a lot of way points of entrance for me. Like I can go in and if all I have is 30 minutes, I can pick up some ink and start, you know, dumping it on a drawing that I had was already started and add a little bit more color or refine an image a little bit more, uh, or if I've got five minutes, right? Like I've just, I'm on my way home and stop by the studio. I can walk in and pick up a couple of paintings and just shuffle them around and stand back and look at them. You know, maybe, maybe take a bottle of paint and just splash a little bit on there. You know, if it needs a little color, one thing that I like to do that helps me, um, I guess iterate quickly is I'll have little pieces of colored tape and paper. And I'll just tape a little piece of colored paper or colored tape onto a painting to see what that color looks like in the context of the painting and how it changes the dynamic. And then if I don't like it, I just pull it off. Or if I do like it, I can come back with something more permanent like paint. So I think the point is, is like, and what I found is it works really well for me is just having lots of things going on at different stages. So I've got lots of options of entering in that kind of fit for different moods and different, you know, time constraints. Yeah.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonJust that's so cool to hear that you could just do it when you just have about five minutes to just, I relate to that feeling too sometimes, just taking that extra few minutes just to pause and just look and step back and stare can be very centering, also very grounding in the midst of your mind being in all these other things you're trying to sort of solve.
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsI think also going in and putting it up on a wall and not having the plan to do anything to it. Just like the action that you're taking in that moment is just to look and think, you know, like instead of just being caught up in needing to do stuff to it. Because I know for myself, I tend to overwork things big time. So it's helpful sometimes just to tell myself you're not going to do anything. You're just going to look and be with it for a while.
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsWhat about you? What are some of the ways that you get into the action of it, into the creation of it, and not just the contemplation of it?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI think mine involves a lot of liquid. When I think about it, I think, well, first of all, to back up, there's the liquid part of watering the plants. I think that's a ritual part for me. It's like, okay, go and water all the geraniums. I've got about... 12 geranium plants now going because I've made new ones, you know, started, spreaded new ones from larger ones. And so that kind of centers me in the space and then usually it involves getting some of the pieces that maybe are hanging up on the wall back down on the floor. And I usually what I'll do is I'll roll out a large canvas roll that I continue to use as a sort of drop cloth that I let things accumulate on and then later becomes the larger painting. But it's a nice way to just build up texture and stuff on it. And then I'll put the big paper down. I'm working on very large rolls of watercolor paper so they can really hold the weight of the liquid addition. And then I just... get some ink and some paint down and then usually slosh some water about. I just feel, I feel better when I'm, when I start in that way. Don't work well. Just, I notice if I guess it, when I think about it, I wouldn't, I don't do well when I just sit down at a table with a piece of paper and a pen or something like that and just try to start being creative. That doesn't really work for me. It needs to be much more physical and, not be so dry, literally. It needs to be moist. It needs to be lubricated.
Trenton ReynoldsThe lubricant of creativity.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYeah, that's what I think about.
Trenton ReynoldsThat's an interesting thought to me to think how watering the plants might, I don't know, help you enter into the right mind space. Would you consider having a water feature in your studio? Like this, would this, would this sound of, of water add to the, you know, the wetness?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonWell, I'm, I'm soon going to be living beside the lake, so that will solve a lifetime of, a lifetime of longing. But no, I think when I think about it, when I'm talking about the watering the plants thing, I think both my mom and dad, um, Growing up, it was always something I would... My memories of my mother are coming home from school and she'd be kind of watering the plants in the garden and all the potted plants. And then my dad has really taken up gardening and his garden is on a big balcony in... his Portland loft and he's just got sweet peas and roses and he's got, and big geraniums and just, he is, he loves watering his plants. So I think it comes, and I know my sister does too with her in her garden, but just comes with us maybe in our family that, When I think about moments of my parents grounding and feeling, looking very, I mean, they're just very calm and contemplative. It usually is when, you know, I think about that and equate it to them watering plants.
Trenton ReynoldsI wonder what other kinds of just physical activities or movement or emotions that. People might, I don't know, it seems like those are the kinds of adjectives or feelings that you're looking for. Like for me, I think sanding things and scrubbing things and tearing paper. Oh, yeah. For me, the physicality of like... Well, I think of like, I don't know if you know Mark Bradford's work, but he does these huge things and they're like, he'll take knives and slice through like an inch thick layers of like paper and paint and peel off these big chunks. And like that to me feels really aggressive. Yeah. Whereas with me, it's just not nearly at that scale. But there's some force to it. There's a little bit of force. A little bit of force. Yes. Yeah, heft.
Yeah. Yeah.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYeah. I'm hefty. It's interesting you talk about... And you're dabbling hefty, heftier.
Trenton ReynoldsHefty dabbler? Hold on.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonHefty dabbler. That's the title for that episode for sure.
Trenton ReynoldsDo you remember those commercials, Hefty, Hefty, Cinch, Stack?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYes, that's right.
Hefty.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonHefty, hefty, hefty. Wimpy. Was it wimpy?
Trenton ReynoldsYeah, that's right. Good memory. I remember those commercials. Hefty, hefty, hefty.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonWimpy, wimpy, hefty. Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week. In the meantime, you can follow us on Instagram at Sabrina Ward Harrison and at Trent Reynolds Art.
Trenton ReynoldsAnd check out the show notes at roominthetrees.com where you can also get in touch if you have any ideas you'd like to share.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonAnd feel free to share this podcast with a friend. And we'll see you next week. But I'm going to get back to packing the old wagon up here.
Trenton ReynoldsAll right. Well, I wish you well.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonGood stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
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