Sabrina Ward HarrisonIt is Saturday, May 6, 2017. This is Room in the Trees, a podcast about late-night nutrition and creativity and stuff. The following was recorded on April 27th, 2017. This is episode 40, Midnight Newton. Room in the Trees is hosted by me, Sabrina Harrison, and Trent Reynolds. Show notes, including pictures, links, video, and more for every episode can be found at roominthetrees.com and... If you like this podcast, please consider showing your support. You can become a subscribing patron at patreon.com forward slash room. And please rate us on iTunes or leave us a review. It really helps us reach a wider audience and makes us feel encouraged to continue on this journey. t-shirts it's official t-shirts are cool let us know how you like them and take a picture of yourself with one of them and tag it on instagram so we can see your beautiful selves and now for today's episode I've had a weird tickle in my throat. I just keep having this very harsh sounding quick cough. Like...
Trenton ReynoldsYou know, you are going to notice that I too have that very same thing. But it's been around our house for like... three months. Liv had it for a while, then all the other girls got it, then I got it, then Laura got it, and it felt like it went away, but then it came back. It's been this very... I don't know. It's been hard to get rid of. And it's worse, I don't know if this is the case for you, but it's worse for us when you're laying down at night. That's when it starts kicking in. and all of a sudden it's just one cough. It's just like...
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYeah, I know. And it doesn't like, my throat doesn't hurt or anything, right? Do you guys have sore throats or is it just...
Trenton ReynoldsAt first it did come at the same time that other symptoms were happening, but it's kind of independent of that, though. It seems like it's got its own life. It's a little monocough.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonMonocough. Monocough.
Trenton ReynoldsMy name is... Monokov. Monokov.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonSounds like a Russian performer.
Monokov?
Trenton ReynoldsYou might notice today that my voice is a little froggy, and I'd like to tell you the reason why. Okay. I almost died.
Oh, no.
Trenton ReynoldsAnd I'm going to say it like that because I truly believe that I was almost... like my number was up.
Sabrina Ward Harrison- Are you serious?
Trenton Reynolds- Yes, and I was-- - Start from the beginning. - Well, I was hungry, so I went to Ralph's, which is on Barrington and Olympic, if you ever want to be creepy and stalk me there. I don't know I'm giving the address. I was at Ralph's and I like the brie baguette that they sell at Ralph's at the deli. Picked me up a brie baguette. Is that just like brie in a
baguette?
Trenton ReynoldsPretty much self-explanatory. There's not much more than brie and baguette in in the sandwich. So, couldn't help myself, I was hungry. I started eating the brie and baguette while I was driving. I took a bite and inhaled at the same time, and a little bit of baguette went down my windpipe. And that's happened before, but this time I, was like, you know how you cough and cough and cough and finally you dislodge whatever?
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsWell, I coughed and coughed and coughed and then I had no more air to cough with. Oh my God. And it was the most alarming thing. So I'm driving down the road, like making these horrible coughing, gagging, choking noises, not too dissimilar from that. and I had to pull over and I was looking around at who might be big and strong enough to do Heimlich on me and there was nobody I mean there was like a homeless man who did not look very beefy and I didn't know if he'd get the communication and and a really thin woman who again I I didn't know if she'd be able to save my life. So I literally thought I was done. And finally, one last little cough dislodged whatever baguette fragment was in there enough that I could get some air back in. And then I was able to cough, cough, cough, cough. And I coughed for like 20 minutes. been coughing every day periodically in addition to the monocoff has been this other cough and the froggy voice because I just destroyed my my throat yeah um you know through the process so it was it was it was like it was seriously frightening but also at the same time I thought I cannot die and coughing on ham and brie baguette. Like that is just, that is almost more horrifying, horrifying, horrifying to that, for that to be my legacy, for that to be what I'm known to have died from than, you know, the actual event itself. Anyway, so it's kind of a weird thing where you're thinking about dying while you are dying.
Sabrina Ward Harrison- That is honestly the most scary friggin' thing is in moments like that when you, like I've had that with kind of crossing the street or something or just, no that's not a good example, but something where you feel like this could be happening right now.
Trenton Reynoldsthis is happening i want to imagine like whoever found me like eyes bugging out like with one hand on a hammond brie baguette like uh just don't tell my wife and kids that it was a hammond brie baguette tell them i like it got in a bad car accident like that's that's better story. I don't know. Anyway, so Glad you're okay. When did that happen? Just a couple days ago. My voice is still froggy from it. So I'm glad to still be here with y'all. Glad to be on Room and Trees podcast.
How was your week?
Trenton ReynoldsBet you didn't almost die from a Hammond Bree incident.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI've had a few moments, though, of, like, I'm really afraid of falling down stairs. And I've had a couple moments where I've tripped on something just slightly. Like, I just am one of those people that just should hold on to the railing. I just should just go ahead and do that. You mean to look stupid?
Just hold on to it.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonBecause that's one of the slow motion, like just catching yourself. There's not a lot of room to spare. If you trip going downstairs, there's no, it's a really hard thing to do. to catch yourself.
Trenton ReynoldsYeah. And the chances of really doing damage are pretty good falling downstairs. Yeah.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonSo I've had a few moments walking the dogs where I'd be going downstairs and if they pull just a little bit like with me not paying attention and maybe I'm looking at my phone and they start pulling and I'm like,
there,
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI see a little it all happened in front of my eyes, totally.
Trenton Reynolds- Scary times, life. - Yeah. - How many stairs do you have in your--
Sabrina Ward Harrison- It's just one flight of stairs, but there's a park at the end of the street that's a really long, long staircase. It's concrete down to the lake. and that's where I had the closest I was going down and I was wasn't holding up the railing was getting my phone into camera mode and the dogs pulled and I just I saw it all in front of my eyes I got down I thought that's and then then thinking well now Cory would be aware if I was missing but before I met Cory I don't know how long could have been you know missing oh my god it's terrifying this isn't going to podcast but there's something to be said for someone else having two people together in your life because someone's got to be looking out for you yeah totally somebody got to be there yeah I got a tooth pulled. Well, you got what?
Trenton ReynoldsA tooth pulled. A tooth pulled. That's a big deal.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI got some, yeah, I need some more teeth in my mouth. Just got to be honest. I did not do the teeth care thing to form. So. it's resulting in some issues now.
Trenton ReynoldsSo. - You did not do, - I just didn't really, - Do you not brush your teeth? That's probably too personal.
Sabrina Ward Harrison- I just really didn't focus on that. I mean, I brush my teeth, but then I would like have a snack at night and I wouldn't get up and then go brush my teeth. I would, you know, I'd eat my Fig Newton and then I I just go to sleep.
Trenton ReynoldsI didn't know you love Fig Newtons. Do you love Fig Newtons still?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI love Fig Newtons.
Trenton ReynoldsHow have we never discovered this? This seems like something we should have come upon before now. I love Fig Newtons.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI know. I didn't know. I mean.
Trenton ReynoldsYeah, you didn't know that? I didn't know. I can't believe that's not true. never been mentioned.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonIt's become a serious thing in my house where Corey has now ordered about 12 boxes on Amazon and have them shipped here. So we have, we bring four of them to bed so that we have the night covered with getting up and having some. But this really good brand from Costco is... I'll put a link in the show notes, is whole grain, really good, big flavor, then apple, cinnamon, and raspberry.
Trenton Reynolds- I'm familiar. The raspberry's good, but it tends to be a little sticky on the coating. Have you noticed that on the cookie part?
- No.
Trenton Reynolds- What's your favorite flavor?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonDo you know what I'm talking about about which kind?
Trenton Reynolds- I believe so. I don't know if there are multiple kinds at Trader Joe's. - Oh, is it Costco? - No, I'm sorry. Trader Joe's, yes. Costco, no. Is this like an original Fig Newton brand, that they're just different flavors of--
Sabrina Ward Harrison- I'm gonna go get the package right now, just to clarify. And you can get them all in bulk at Costco, or you can order them online on Amazon.
Trenton ReynoldsWe'll put that in the show notes.
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsSo that is interesting. So you'll wake up in the middle of the night and just reach over for a little snack?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYep, I will.
Trenton ReynoldsAnd do they have the re-sealable plastic on the top that you're able to open and close easily?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonOh, these are individually wrapped bars.
Trenton ReynoldsSo you wake up and unwrap a Fig Newton.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYeah, I do. And then Corey calls me a little squirrely. He's like, "Little squirrel's having a little snack." - Will Cory wake up and enjoy one with you? - That's what I appreciate, he will. Instead of going, "No, I'm cool." You know, like, "Stop the snack." He'll be like, "Yes, please."
Trenton Reynolds- He's like, "Hey, Cory, Cory, I'm gonna wake up now. "Get a Fig Newton, want one?"
Sabrina Ward Harrison- That's why he thinks of them ahead of time, bring them to bed, so.
Trenton Reynolds- Man. That is just one accommodating human being right there.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonIt really is.
Trenton ReynoldsSo there are so many reasons I think this Fig Newton situation is fantastic. We can end there. I could ask so many questions about--
Sabrina Ward Harrison- Ask, just ask a couple more.
Trenton Reynolds- Are there any equivalents for Corey? Are there things that he, like comfort foods that he indulges in that you have learned to, or kind of participate with him in?
Sabrina Ward Harrison- He is a fan of the fake newtons, but he likes his chocolate. for sure. And I can't really have chocolate because there's too much sugar in it for me. But there's this very high top shelf in my kitchen, so all the snacks go up there, even the Fig Newtons. And then he reaches up and gets out a nut for it. Because if I have access to them during the day, I'll just eat them. all day long.
Trenton ReynoldsSo because it's probably something that most people kind of have a visual on, with the traditional Fig Newtons, they came in packs where you had two rows of
Sabrina Ward HarrisonNewtons. Yes, right.
Trenton ReynoldsCould you down a whole row in one sitting?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonWith a big glass of milk probably.
Trenton ReynoldsNew
Sabrina Ward Harrisonnewton and milk i don't think i've ever recently but it sounds really good newton and like really
Trenton Reynoldscold milk yeah really cold milk and cookies something else i could take down a row of newton's no problem one sitting no milk dry laughing
laughing laughing
Trenton ReynoldsSo we can't have Newton's, or I can't have them near me, like a package like that, or I will eat the whole pack in one day, no problem. So what I have to do is when I get the craving for a Newton, I have to go to 7-Eleven and little you know this little two pack yes it's got two extended newtons they're double double wide double wide two double wide double wide newtons and that's how i get my fix
Sabrina Ward Harrisonso i think these will really work well for you because they're individually wrapped so in them are there are two newtons that's the thing so that's how i break it up like I can savor one and know there's another Newton in there. So it's not like you feel like you've got the extra one that you want after you finish the first one and then you're done.
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsThere is something to that, having two. You know, if you have just one candy bar in a package, you know, there's... you don't have that break to feel like you know I have there's more where this came from it's just like you know you power through the bar and it's nothing nothing's left I never thought of that that's absolutely true I do like the fact that there's another one waiting for me.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonExactly. And then you get mad when you eat it not paying attention. And then you're like, shoot! Did I just eat the second one? Yes, I did. I didn't savor it. I just ate it.
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsYeah. So many questions about Newtons.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonAre you going to have a little snack set up in your studio? Or are you good? keep your
Trenton Reynoldswe do have a snack set up already yeah I don't know if you knew this but my mom or if I mentioned this before but my mom had purchased a bunch of these really heavy duty jars for like preserving food and they've got a cool little latch on it that makes the jar airtight which is perfect for you know, studio where there is a certain amount of risk of bugs and pests and stuff. So, um, so she was getting rid of these jars. So I've got three of these big heavy duty, like find them at grandma house on the shelf jars. Yeah. Uh, and I've put, uh, some pretzels in those and Yumi's brought in a bunch of chips and everybody throws that you know contributes to the water bottled water source and so and oh I didn't tell you this you know that banana truck that was in yes that belongs to bar Nana which is a company that makes different banana treats and so they make like a coconut banana thing and a chocolate banana thing and they're all these like kind of healthy snacks they're super tasty. And they're just three doors down from us, Bar Nana. And they have a banana truck.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonThat's so awesome. That's so awesome. Have you met them yet?
Trenton ReynoldsAnd I think, yes, I met them and they're very cool. And they will, like two or three times now, have given us boxes full of their products. So I've eaten tons of of Barnana and can definitely recommend them. I mean, the more we're in this studio space, the more I realize there are so many cool, it just never ends, it just never ends. It's so many perfect little payoffs, little nuggets. Lots of joy nuggets in the studio space. So. So, what are we doing?
Sabrina Ward Harrison- Well, I wanted to read, do you know Twyla Thorpe? She has a wonderful book called "The Creative Habit: Learn and Use it for Life." And I read it a few years ago. It's a really great, really great book. book about about the process of it and where we get stuck and I opened this today in her book I just wanted to read it it's gonna happen sometimes despite all the good habits you've developed the preparation rituals the organizational tools the techniques for scratching out pre-ideas and actual ideas, there will come a time when your creativity fails you. You stare at the canvas, the screen, the keyboard, the empty room, and it refuses to meet your eyes. It looks away as if it's ashamed of you. You may as well be painting on shards of broken glass. Your screen shows nothing but wavy lines. lines. Your fingers slip off the keyboard, never getting traction. The room turns dark and cold and someone is locking the door behind you. You are in a rut. She says, when I'm working, I'm always monitoring my momentum, always asking, is this piece moving forward or staying in place? Am I in a rut or a groove? Rut is when you're spinning your wheel, staying progress you make is digging yourself a deeper rut. A groove is different. The wheels turn and you move forward effortlessly. It can mean all the difference in the world. It says a rut is more like a false start. I really resonate with that.
Trenton ReynoldsYeah, that's really interesting distinction between rut and groove.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI can read a little bit more.
Sure.
Trenton ReynoldsYeah, why don't you read a little bit more. Is there more about this rut and groove? Yeah.
Okay.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonA rut can be the consequence of a bad idea. You shouldn't have started a project in the first place. A rut can be the end product of bad timing. For some reason, you are out of sync with the world. You can have the brightest vision with the most mind-blowing idea, but if the world isn't ready for you, ready for you, you can spin your wheels for years. A rut can form because of bad luck or circumstance conspiring against you. More often than not, I found a rut is a consequence of sticking to tried and tested methods that don't take into account how you or the world has changed. That's really good. that. More often than not, I've found a rut is a consequence of sticking to tried and tested methods that don't take into account how you or the world has changed. It's like your mother serving you the same breakfast you loved as a child. You push the meal away half-eaten and say, "But you always loved Cocoa Puffs and pork sausage. That was then. This is now."
Trenton ReynoldsI was not ready for Cocoa Puffs and pork sausage in that sentence.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI wasn't either. I was like, wait, what? So you mentioned talking about why today.
Yeah.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYes. - Do we need to do a quack, do we need to shake it out for a second?
Trenton Reynolds- Well, I'm just, now I'm thinking about the rut and groove scenario. I think it's related to the why. But one thing that I wanted to ask you before it passes through my mind is, how long is, how long, How long is a rut or a groove? Or in your experience, how long do these blocks or ruts or grooves last? Is there a cycle that you've seen or a pattern?
Just chewing.
Trenton ReynoldsChewing the Newton?
Chewing the Newton. Chewing chicken.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonJust chewing some chicken.
Trenton ReynoldsThe contrast of Cocoa Puffs and sausage, I think is what kind of, I find a little bit jarring. I cannot get both, hold both of those taste memories in my brain at the same time. Cocoa Puffs and sausage. Can you imagine that mouthful? Oh, dear.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonYep, that's funny. Well, I think ruts can last a couple years sometimes in society.
Trenton Reynoldssome way. Can they last decades? That's making for a pretty sucky life. It is. Well, that's what I wonder is maybe there are layers to this. It's not like, I think we often think of I'm in a rut, like it's a single thing or a single event or a single, I don't know, like problem that we can get over or get out of. Like it's this, you know, again, speaking visually, like it's this, you know, this single rut, you know, this ditch or whatever that we can't... can't get out of. But I often think that I've found I've started, you know, the older I get, the more I see these patterns develop where I see that, no, this, this isn't one thing that I need to overcome and get out of. This is a pattern. You know, this comes up every once in a while. And not only that, but there's layers to this pattern where, I will get through one layer and realize that, that layer has been around for, you for two decades.
Sabrina Ward Harrison- Can you give an example of that? What's something?
Trenton Reynolds- Well, I think this whole issue that I've talked about in several episodes of finding my voice or being able to, yeah, finding my voice. That concept or that idea or whatever that phrase is trying to express has evolved over time. And I feel like there have been moments where I've been able to break through that rut and recognize something about it or a dimension to it that represented baggage or a bad assumption that I'd been carrying with me for a very, very, very long time.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonWhen did that turning point, could you name? what that was or when that happened?
Trenton ReynoldsOh, I wish. In the various conversations with your dad, I think those have been helpful in that regard. I think there have been times when... I don't know. I'm trying to think of a specific example because I know it's kind of hard to nail these things. down when they're too high level, you know, abstract. Um, and I can't, nothing's, nothing concrete is coming to my mind right now. So I'll have to continue thinking about that. But I think, uh, I think my point is, is that, um, you know, my concept of what a blockage is, and we've talked about, we've talked about flow last week and, um, and things are like a writer's block or a painter's block or whatever you get in the studio and you just don't feel like you can, make it happen. There are, there, it's not just one single kind of thing. It's a, it's the spectrum of things and spectrum of levels and layers and things that are really overarching and, and have to do with the, the narrative arc of your life, you know, and, and there are ruts that might stick with you for, uh, for a very long time. that you will finally break through and the light will flood in and you'll realize how much in a rut you had been for so long. And then there are just like the little ruts where it's like, I just don't feel it today and I don't know why. - Yeah. - Anyway, I think this idea of--
- Yeah.
Sabrina Ward Harrison- Go ahead. - I was gonna ask, when you have those in the studio, um when you look back at sort of times with your work you were in a rut and then you got new food
Trenton Reynoldswas there something that helped shift that or yeah well i think in that quote you just read there are so many i think really good gems in there and things that i mean we could make several shows out of just that quote, I think. But I think it often has to do with that we are trying to solve problems in the way we've always solved them.
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsWhen, you know, what we really ought to be thinking is about the unique situation and the things that are available to us that maybe haven't been available to us before. You know, ways that we can proceed that... that are just not part of our past experience. Obviously that's hard to do because our decision making is informed by what we know and what we've experienced, but I think that is often the case. And there are ways to get past that, to get past your limited vision. And I'm thinking about yesterday, I was in the studio with Brian. He was laying down on the couch, And he just said, "I just feel like "I've been in a funk lately. "I can't get going." And we talked about it, and he kind of told me what he was thinking, what he was after. And it kind of came down to the fact that, he didn't have money to, or he was feeling financially stressed to go out and buy the materials he needed. But I realized, well, he usually does spray paint on glass. So the preciousness of the surface he's working on and the tediousness of his process creates this huge barrier to enter to just get in to something, to start creating momentum, right?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonThat's a really good thing to address, yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsSo I was just saying, I've got some house paint back in my garage that I saved for this very situation. When you just need to get jump-started, you need to get momentum going, right? And so he had been talking about just wanting to be more loose and free with the paint, and so I went home, and got all these cans of different colors of house paint and bought them back. And we had a piece of drywall that wasn't used in the construction of the studio. And he put these tarps up that he had had for a long time, just waiting for the time that he was going to be able to kind of test this stuff out and he started just throwing paint at this big piece of drywall and he he talked about wanting to be really physical yeah like he's a big guy and his work is usually so careful and considered and he had been kind of splattering spray paint realizing that he wanted to be bigger and more paint and know how to kind of approach it. Anyway, so we had this cheap house paint that nobody cares about, this big piece of drywall that was going to get thrown away anyway, and started dipping paper towels in the paint and throwing them at the drywall and taking big nasty brushes and slamming them on the drywall. And it was just, and he started seeing potential and different kinds of marks and ways that he could achieve those marks. It was just, you know, so I think getting out of ruts for me is often has to do with, well, I think, you know, you even think of a rut. It's like you're walled in somehow. You're trapped. So finding the simplest, least amount of friction from getting you out of that trap. You know, just not jumping you out of the trap, just kind of wedging your way out. So is it a matter of just like picking up a pencil and breaking it? You know, or throwing a rock into the ocean or, you know, or something like something small that you can do right now in this moment. to edge your way out of that feeling rather than trying to find like the one solution,
Sabrina Ward Harrisonthe one answer, you know? That's, that is right. That's the key. Not thinking you have to have the answer to solve it. You just have to take a step. You have to just step towards something.
Yeah.
Trenton ReynoldsAnd I think this whole conversation, I think, ties into the question of why. I was listening to a podcast the other day. I can't remember what podcast now. I should go back and see what it was. But they were talking about motivation and why. Why do you do? stuff and ultimately that that is how deeply we feel that why will affect how intensely we attack the, you know, the things that we do. And so I think sometimes when we're in ruts or when we feel blocked or that we can't find flow, going back and redefining or reinvestigating and solidifying that or reinforcing that can help us get out of the rut, help us kind of build up more power to be able to push forward into something new. Does that make sense?
Sabrina Ward HarrisonI missed that last one.
Trenton Reynoldsor even just kind of trying to define it and think about it for a little while and make it clearer. So understanding that foundation or strengthening or defining that foundation can be a power, I think, to help us move forward and get past the block that we're facing.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonRight. What would be an example of the why for you?
Trenton ReynoldsThe why that was expressed in this podcast, and again, I can't remember what podcast it was, but the person said that they just have a very deep feeling of that every human life has value. and every human life has potential. And the person was an educator, and that really resonated with me, and something that really does motivate a lot of my decisions about how I spend my time, and even the art that I make, comes from that, comes from that. Why? Because I believe that every human being is important and every life has value no matter how insignificant, you know, to the standards of worldly success that, you know, there's something there that deserves respect, deserves to see its potential fulfilled, and it deserves some kind of investment from the human family I guess and so I think I think that's one of my wise why because I love people and you want to share it with them yeah well and I why do I go to the studio I love seeing what Brian's up to I love seeing what David and Yumi are up to. I love participating in that conversation and I love it when they make strides forward and realize something new about themselves and feel a little bit happier about what they're doing in their life, you know, and I love it feeling like I get to contribute to that and build them up and I feel fulfilled by that process.
Yeah.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonThat is such a thing. It's just getting a little bit of feedback from another person. Just feeling, getting yourself out of being your own headspace. It's huge. I think that's where people get in the most ruts. Also, I can imagine, you know, maybe he got, is it, did you say his name's Dave? Thank you.
Trenton ReynoldsOh, we've got a David, yeah.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonDavid? Is that who you were talking about?
Trenton ReynoldsI think I was talking about Brian.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonBrian, okay. Brian was, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Brian. That, this, I remember going back to the episode, I think it was The Biggest Nut, and I was talking about renting that gallery space for the week and trying to work and be loose, but the self-conscious of thinking people are going to pass by and wondering what are you doing, what's you crazy person doing? And I would imagine that there would be an adjustment period to sharing a big space with other creative people and really getting deep diving into your work. work.
Trenton ReynoldsFor sure and I don't think it's for everyone and it kind of in some ways directly goes against my nature as you know as an introvert and I do like this morning I was there by myself for probably three hours before anybody showed up just because I get up earlier you and everybody else doesn't have kids and different schedules and whatnot, they tend to not show up until later in the day. And I very much value that time when it's just me alone in the space. And I think if there were other people there constantly, that I would have to come back to the garage and be here alone. on occasion, 'cause I do value that and need that space in alone time too. So there's a balance, and I'm not saying this is everybody's why or everybody's solution, but yeah. So that's one of my whys, I don't think that's my entire why. But what do you feel like is, how do you feel How would you describe your why?
Sabrina Ward Harrison- I feel called to do the work I do somehow. 'Cause I, that sounds, I don't know. I feel, I don't know why except the feeling that that's what I'm supposed to be doing. in my life right now. I was gonna say, because I can't do anything else, but I can.
And,
Sabrina Ward Harrisonlet me take this cough drop out.
Trenton Reynolds- I think that's totally legitimate, both of those things. I think those are very powerful things to feel like you are called by something to do, to fulfill a purpose, to contribute something. Yeah, that's huge.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonAnd I think what I'm trying to remember and learn, that you can be in a rut and still be doing the work that you're being called to do. That's what I think is easy to get confused, because you just start thinking. You start second guessing yourself, and then you can go, why am I even doing this? go bigger than that.
Trenton ReynoldsExactly. I think that's the power of going back to the why. And my why was very literal, and I don't think that has to be the case always. It can be just a general sense that you feel called to do. this I think and to you know in those moments of despair or moments where you just feel like I cannot do this to go back and remember and kind of try to relocate that feeling of you know that you are called like how powerful is that and to realize that that that mission mission I don't know or that calling can can be manifest not just in this way you know by renting a studio space and you paintings in there, but there are other ways to allow that energy or that thing to be manifest. And that would be, it could be a very powerful way to get around ruts, you know? Yeah. Because it allows you just to completely abandon that rut and realize that it might not be even clear. close to the right way forward at all. Right, right. Instead of continually trying to fix this one little rut, you realize that there are so much more possibilities, because really what we're trying to do is this big thing. Anyway, I don't know. I can just see so many ways how that would give you perspective that would help you let go of your assumptions about what things happen.
Sabrina Ward Harrisonto be. Yeah, yeah. And to not, and to know yourself enough and that rut isn't going to last forever and that you can really mess stuff up by trying to work something when you're in a rut. Like it's like what she says about the feeling of it sort of turning its back of you or it's ashamed of you or whatever. It's one of those, just step away from the piece. If it's not flowing, step away. Do not destroy what you've done. Do not destroy it all. That's a really big part of it. Just take a walk. Just step away. That's why I like to work on multiple things at once because there's nothing like being in a rut and staring at a piece that's not in the
Trenton ReynoldsIs there more that you wanted to talk about? Mm-hmm.
Sabrina Ward HarrisonThank you for listening, and we will be back next week with episode 41. And like always, you can find links and info and show notes at roominthetrees.com and t-shirts in the shop on there. And new dates are going to be released next week. and a half for True Living Experience in Madison in the fall as well as Santa Santa Monica California so we are excited to launch that and have a midnight snack and let us know what it is have a great week and we'll talk to you next week